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作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 09:10 標題: 小雞死左!!!

尋日仲好地地,行得食得玩得,仲幫佢影左好多相
夜晚番到去突然扒左係籠底死左!!
只係短短幾個鐘,真係唔知咩原因
小雞係我養過最可愛既生物
好唔捨得佢

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 09:21

係咪我同佢玩得太多...
佢成日會玩玩下飛落地,可能落地果下dun親...
渡過左最凍的天氣...但又會突然之間...
唉!!!!

作者: carmenwong 時間: 2011-1-24 09:27

rip

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 09:28

I'm sorry to hear that. 小

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 09:29

牠是那種雀鳥？

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 09:37

牠是那種雀鳥？
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 09:29

我頭像那隻彩鳳

作者: 楚峰 時間: 2011-1-24 09:44

R.I.P. ＞＜

作者: Amazonshan 時間: 2011-1-24 09:48

吾無太傷心

作者: moon427 時間: 2011-1-24 10:09

作者: wendy1121 時間: 2011-1-24 10:21

WHAT??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 10:25

WHAT??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wendy1121 發表於 2011-1-24 10:21

Yes ar so sudden

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 10:27

你養了牠多少年？怎樣飼養？平時給牠吃甚麼和水源？

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 10:32

養了兩個月, 由冇毛到有毛, 一粒米咁養到一隻雞咁
平時同吃的和飲的都同其他雀一樣
合成,種子,菜,蛋白雀
飲d水同我飲的一樣

作者: 風中飛鸚 時間: 2011-1-24 10:32

節哀

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 10:37

我可杏用英文，這比較容易發問和表違？

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 10:40

我可杏用英文，這比較容易發問和表違？
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 10:37

sure sure

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 10:46

ok, first of all, did you just feed pellets as the main diet for your budgie? 2) Which type of water did you give him....tap/boiled/spring bottled water? 3) What type of cage did you use? Is it powder coated? 4) What kind of veggies did you give him and how did you rinse them before giving it to him? 5) Did he show any symptoms like neck stretching/spitting the seed out? 6) When you said "蛋白雀", what is it actually?

作者: YVONNE 時間: 2011-1-24 10:47

rip

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 10:56

ok, first of all, did you just feed pellets as the main diet for your budgie? 2) Which type of water did you give him....tap/boiled/spring bottled water? 3) What type of cage did you use? Is it po ...
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 10:46

1. pellets, seeds, fresh vegetable, protein
2. boiled water
3. cage? just ordinary cage bought from bird st
4. yes I did rinse it
5. no any symptoms above
6. 蛋白糧, typo

作者: Mitchell 時間: 2011-1-24 11:09

sorry about that... maybe she get sick from bird street already..
I did the same experience with you... hand feed a chick from a 'meat' to 'almost fly' ..
RIP

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:16

ok...about the diet...too much protein is very harmful to budgies (the same should be applied to other types of birds also).  Since you fed pellets which has a high level of protein already (that's why I don't feed any pellets), the extra 蛋白糧 should be omitted.  High protein level would lead to different kinds of health problem like causing tumor, heart disease etc.  So if you really want to feed pellets, just give it as a treat sporadically, and remember those commercial seed products contain high level of protein and preservatives also which is harmful.

About boiled water, did you use any filter on the tap cos if the water pipes are old in your building, the water that you got from the tap would have heavy metal in it which you couldn't get rid of it even if you boiled.  This could be one of the reasons why some of the birds died all of a sudden because their neurological system was affected by the heavy metal.  Since I don't trust my tap water so I use the bottled type spring water for JJ.

About veggies, what types did you give?  Not all kinds of veggies could be fed to birds especially budgies, and you have to use Apple Cider Vinegar (organic is better) and dilute it with water to soak and rinse the veggie before giving it to the bird.  This is to get rid of the pesticides on the veggies.

Now come the cage, if it is not powder coated, the chance of getting heavy metal poisoning is high as budgie likes to chew things, so you can see some parts of the cage had been chipped off and so the non powder coated one is definitely not advisable for birds.

Can you think of any other slightest symptom that your budgie might have that you forgot to tell me?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:24

Because it is 2-month-old so i think extra protein is good for baby bird (maybe I'm wrong)

Yes I use filter before boiling, plus, I am living in new building (<5 yr), I believe no problem in water

cage, it is coated, I bought it from bird street three months ago so no any rust

I gave 菜心介蘭 leaf, rinsed

No other symptom but it drop on floor when I played with it before.

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:28

It was practicing to fly, it sometimes drops on floor lightly. Now I think it may get hurt from that.

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:29

so may be it's not heavy metal poisoning. Are you using the non-stick pan for cooking? Any plants in your house that your budgie could be accessible to them? Anybody smoke /using perfume or detergent etc that would give out strong smell?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:32

none of above
And my other three birds are healthy
So I believe, it was the reason that gettng hurt during flying practice

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:32

by the way, is your picture a budgie too?

作者: catcat6703 時間: 2011-1-24 11:33

吾好甘傷心,牠會在彩虹橋等你的

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:35

吾好甘傷心,牠會在彩虹橋等你的
catcat6703 發表於 2011-1-24 11:33

但我未想去彩虹橋住

作者: clymcm 時間: 2011-1-24 11:38

但我未想去彩虹橋住
lam_ot 發表於 2011-1-24 11:35

講得好

by the way, 節哀

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:38

yes, it's my darling budgie...JJ. He's a dominant pied with a blue sky coloured tummy. He's very playful and talkative.....knew how to say quite a number of words already.

BTW, remember your budgie was the smallest type among the group that you are having, so he's more prone to danger/health problem as compared with the rest of your folks. Always play safe when keeping house birds, check if there's any potential danger that would affter the health of them in both short/long term.

作者: catcat6703 時間: 2011-1-24 11:39

但我未想去彩虹橋住
lam_ot 發表於 2011-1-24 11:35

等多60-70年吧!! 小chicken ge兄弟永遠懷念佢的

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:39

And if he got hurt that time, he would have shown some symtoms...right?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:42

And if he got hurt that time, he would have shown some symtoms...right?
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 11:39

No symtom of getting hurt, just I guess so...Imagine I were a budgie, I think I would get hurt if I dropped on ground.

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:43

Did you clip his wings?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:43

yes, it's my darling budgie...JJ. He's a dominant pied with a blue sky coloured tummy. He's very playful and talkative.....knew how to say quite a number of words already.

BTW, remember your b ...
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 11:38

He can talk?!?!!? How can you do that?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:44

等多60-70年吧!! 小chicken ge兄弟永遠懷念佢的
catcat6703 發表於 2011-1-24 11:39

好的好的
好好照顧牠的兄弟

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:46

Did you clip his wings?
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 11:43

No, too young to do so.

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:46

Just teach him....well of course it takes time and lots of patience, but once he got the hang of it and started to say the first word, then it would be a piece of cake for him to learn and say more words. I could teach you how if you want to learn...

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:47

i want to teach my cocakiel, but it is a female...

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:50

Can cockatiel talk also? Are you sure? If yes, then I think the same method could be applied to it.

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 11:55

I saw from youtube, so many cockatiels speak and whistle. But I was told by other bird friends that female cocaktiels are not really talkative.

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 11:59

Let me check this out for you and come back to you later.

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 12:06

睇番小雞尋日朝早影的相
真叫人心酸
雞尾女同佢好要好,雖然一大一細但佢地互相r毛
好彩雞尾女冇咩情緒打擊

作者: wendy1121 時間: 2011-1-24 12:21

[quote]i want to teach my cocakiel, but it is a female...
lam_ot 發表於 2011-1-24 11:47

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I hope my Perry could speak too!!

作者: sodagreensimon 時間: 2011-1-24 12:34

R.I.P.

作者: wendy1121 時間: 2011-1-24 12:35

Let me check this out for you and come back to you later.
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 11:59

You try to search "cockatiel Sunny" on youtube, and you probably can see. he speaks some sentences like "how are you doing"?

作者: cccyan0105 時間: 2011-1-24 12:41

BB始終都係牙煙d,RIP

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 12:56

ok...if Cockatiel could talk or not....

There is slim to no chance at all with a male and just forget it with the female, its as rare as a swimming pool in a desert...and i don't mean at a resort. You could find a cockatiel talk one in a hundred thousand but well.....to each their own...if you want to try your luck.

And yes, birds can get injured from banging into something and not show it then just die due to internal bleeding and injuries to organs tearing. And too much protein....bad water...and .birds can also be carriers of something and never show sick but pass things on..these could all be the culprit for the death of a bird. Since it's just too months old, the budgie hadn't been eating long enough of the pellets so it must be something else like the egg powder mix and the above that I just mentioned.

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 12:56

lam_ot, did you clip the keet's wings?

作者: chuiyee0307 時間: 2011-1-24 13:02

點解會咁....

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 13:08

That's why I'm try to find out the answer for her......

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 13:52

lam_ot, did you clip the keet's wings?
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 12:56

No no no

作者: wayson720 時間: 2011-1-24 14:03

RIP

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 14:03

Then how and why did he drop on the floor.....and was it from a high level?

作者: drdoom 時間: 2011-1-24 14:04

r.i.p

作者: sesese 時間: 2011-1-24 14:04

節哀

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 14:05

Then how and why did he drop on the floor.....and was it from a high level?
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-24 14:03

It didn't drop vertically but sliding down

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 14:12

well....if you really meant it slided down on the floor, it shouldn't have hurt much, and if he didn't get hurt at all, then mostly he died because of his diet/water or anything in the house that you didn't notice that is posing danger to the bird.

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 14:16

but it died suddenly instead of being sick and die gradually

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 14:19

ok...I need to ask more questions but since I got something to do now, I'll get back to you asap, alright?

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 15:20

Remember, any bird can die all of a sudden without showing any symptoms, and if there's any, we might have neglect it also. So pls. answer me the following questions:

1)  How many months old was the keet when you got him, you said it's as small as a rice, do you mean you got him when he's just hatched?
2)  Do you have any house plant?
3) Any other kinds of pets besides the lovebird and the cockatiel?
4) Are you using non stick cooking ware?
5) Did you let the keet out only when you were with him?
6) Did he fly into something before?
7) How did his poops look like?  Was it normal?  Pls. give me details.
8) Chemicals used in house for cleaning or air fresheners, scented candles?
9) Teflon or any non stick coated surfaces such as heaters or hair dryers?
10)  Besides choy sum and kale, did you feed him other kinds of veggies?  Any kind of fruits?
11)  What about toys?

Now I need you to answer all of the above questions carefully and in detail pls.
water ..metal...toys and toxic paints on them...the list is endless...

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 15:30

1. it was one month old when I got it
2. no
3. only lb and cocaktiel
4. I seldom cook
5. of course
6. It flied and slided down on floor
7. Not found any abnormal poop inside the cage
8. candles yes
9. hair dryer has non stick coated surfaces? I use hair dryer everyday but no idea about the material
10. sometimes apple
11. 有條繩仔玩

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 15:48

So you had the keet for 2 months and so It's approx. 3 months old when he died, right?
You seldom cook, but are you using the non stick type cookware when sometimes you have to cook occasionally? Or is there anyone else in the house that  cooks?
Besides, you said he flied and slided on the floor, why did he slide on the floor?  Did you do something to do or was he chasing anything during the flight?  And what's his reaction after he slided down?
About candles.....are they the scented ones and why do you have to light the candles?
Hair dryer....I'm talking about the telfon type, so you better check it out. if it's the telfon type, it will bring out the harmful substance like that from the non stick cookware.
Apples....did you give the pits/seeds also?
Toy.....what type of string was it?  Can you show me the pic?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 16:04

- while we cook we close the door
- yes 3 months
- It flied and slided because it jumped out from my finger
- no scented candle
- I've lost the dryer's user mannual/package, how to check?
- no seeds
- 尼龍string

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 16:19

so you are really using the non stick cookware in the house, right? And is the hair dryer the plastic type?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 16:22

I guess it is non stick cookware. Because it is not sticky.
Hair dryer, yes plastic one

作者: 養鳥新丁 時間: 2011-1-24 16:23

生命真係脆弱....
師姐唔好咁唔開心了
你仲有雞尾係到

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 16:31

And where did you place the cage? In the sitting/dining area which is close to the kitchen?

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 16:33

window sill, away from kitchen

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 16:34

windowsill is next to living room

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 16:37

生命真係脆弱....
師姐唔好咁唔開心了
你仲有雞尾係到
養鳥新丁發表於 2011-1-24 16:23

話說雞尾同小雞情同手足,佢地經常互梳r毛毛
依家雞尾又孤單一雀了

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 16:38

when you say is far away from the kitchen, how far is it?

作者: 養鳥新丁 時間: 2011-1-24 16:38

話說雞尾同小雞情同手足,佢地經常互梳r毛毛
依家雞尾又孤單一雀了
lam_ot 發表於 2011-1-24 16:37

過完年~再添雀吧~

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-24 16:45

Don't rush to get any new bird before we have found out the reason for the death of her keet.

作者: 養鳥新丁 時間: 2011-1-24 16:59

師姐要加油...快d重新振作!

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小雞一路走好

作者: 冰凝 時間: 2011-1-24 17:18

謝謝你在我的post中給我的一點安慰
希望我的檸檬和你的小雞能在彩虹橋相遇,成為好朋友

作者: tsw 時間: 2011-1-24 19:15

唔好太傷心

作者: ljky_lam130 時間: 2011-1-24 22:33

R.I.P
我家小葵也..........上去了

作者: 養鳥新丁 時間: 2011-1-24 22:40

R.I.P
我家小葵也..........上去了
ljky_lam130 發表於 2011-1-24 22:33

師兄~早兩日撞到一個人..同你好似樣

作者: J-son 時間: 2011-1-24 22:53

節哀..好突然..好可惜..佢真係好cute架..

作者: kittychu 時間: 2011-1-24 23:09

R.i.p

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-24 23:13

R.I.P
我家小葵也..........上去了
ljky_lam130 發表於 2011-1-24 22:33

oh no oh no

作者: kerrykool 時間: 2011-1-25 02:31

OH～～點會咁架？ D BIRD 跌得多係會內傷架～～

作者: wendy1121 時間: 2011-1-25 09:21

R.I.P
我家小葵也..........上去了
ljky_lam130 發表於 2011-1-24 22:33

WHAT?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??! 小葵也..........上去?! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-25 09:21

So lam_ot, no matter what the distance is between the kitchen and the windowsill, non stick cookware is harzardous to the birds. And is there anyone in your house that smoke also?

作者: Snowbaby 時間: 2011-1-25 12:33

哎吔點解會咁! 幾日無電腦上網, 今日一上黎就有咁多不好消息!

小雞, 小葵 r.i.p.

作者: mavisweet 時間: 2011-1-25 14:52

R.I.P

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-25 16:36

It seems that lam_ot doesn't want to find out the reason for the death of his/her keet!

作者: 養鳥新丁 時間: 2011-1-25 16:54

It seems that lam_ot doesn't want to find out the reason for the death of his/her keet!
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-25 16:36

小弟本來不應該再多口發言~
不過都想講一講睇法...
養雀或者養任何寵物亦是...
大部份主人都會經歷失去愛寵呢個過程~
而樓主亦一直悉心照顧小雞~亦都算係一個好主人
小雞離去~樓主自然係會唔開心~開個帖同大家講下~
找出死因..吸取經驗~避免下次再發生同樣事情..當然係好..
但師兄一入呢個帖就嚴詞厲語...十足十網絡判官...
雀友之間不是應該互相幫忙互相扶持嗎?
雖然你係用英文問~小弟對英文半點不通
亦特意查一查字典~師兄你出發點係好的..
不過如此拷問雀友就...........
(ps:純粹係一丁點個人睇法..不喜可以當睇唔到~
亦向lam_ot師姐say sorry...係你個帖講廢話~)

作者: Snoopy 時間: 2011-1-25 17:01

I have been trying to find out the reason with lam-ot...have asked a lot of questions and did get some replies from him/her, there are still a few questions I need to know but lam-ot suddenly shows no response....does it imply that she/he is not interested to find out the answer also?

作者: wisebudgie 時間: 2011-1-25 17:35

其實如果找出死因對其他養鳥的人都有益處, 我亦很同情lam_ot失去了小雞, 小雞真的很可愛, 我時常都有留意小雞的post, 我很不捨得他..........

作者: wendy1121 時間: 2011-1-25 17:50

小弟本來不應該再多口發言~
不過都想講一講睇法...
養雀或者養任何寵物亦是...
大部份主人都會經歷失去愛寵呢個過程~
而樓主亦一直悉心照顧小雞~亦都算係一個好主人
小雞離去~樓主自然係會唔開心~開個帖同大家 ...
養鳥新丁發表於 2011-1-25 16:54

you are right! this is what i am going to say!!!!

作者: lam_ot 時間: 2011-1-25 17:53

The way that you have been questioning me makes me feel so uncomfortable.
At the begining I respond to your question and give details
But you are ordering me to answer you and now you are influencing people that I am a irresponsible host that I have no interest to find out the death reason. I have my right to keep silent or say anything in parrot tree as far as not offensive. Please give me a break.

你盤問我的語氣令我很不安,起初我詳細地答了你所有問題,但我心中已有答案,小雞是飛行時墮地傷到裡面。我有權在這裡答和不答任何問題,你現在的指責是煽動別人認為我是不負責任的主人,不想查出小雞死因。我不是一個罪犯請不要用審問我的語氣。我不想在這樣互罵因為你是出於對雀鳥的關心, 但也不要咄咄逼人。

作者: lingvic 時間: 2011-1-25 18:17

以前我有隻lovebird, 當佢岩岩學識飛無耐(因為之前剪左翼)就成日飛, 因為未係飛得幾好, 有次係高處墜下落地下, 自此就唔識得再飛, 仲有頭側既情況. 幾個月後, 如常係籠裡面接佢上手時, 就突然死係我手上. 所以高處跌親係會有生命危險.

作者: Cozzy 時間: 2011-1-25 19:00

I have been trying to find out the reason with lam-ot...have asked a lot of questions and did get some replies from him/her, there are still a few questions I need to know but lam-ot suddenly shows no ...
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-25 17:01

Do you think you can find out the why the bird dead without looking at the dead body?

作者: J-son 時間: 2011-1-25 20:17

I have been trying to find out the reason with lam-ot...have asked a lot of questions and did get some replies from him/her, there are still a few questions I need to know but lam-ot suddenly shows no ...
Snoopy 發表於 2011-1-25 17:01

你一開始就排除左佢可能由於跌親內傷引致死亡既可能性
就算繼續追問落去都唔見得一定可以搵出真正死亡原因

不如你開個新post講下可引致雀鳥突然致死既家居潛在危機等大家可以引以為鑑, 相信會令更多雀友受益~

作者: Cozzy 時間: 2011-1-25 22:34

你一開始就排除左佢可能由於跌親內傷引致死亡既可能性
就算繼續追問落去都唔見得一定可以搵出真正死亡原因

不如你開個新post講下可引致雀鳥突然致死既家居潛在危機等大家可以引以為鑑, 相信 ...
J-son 發表於 2011-1-25 20:17

認同.........

作者: tsw 時間: 2011-1-25 22:36

你一開始就排除左佢可能由於跌親內傷引致死亡既可能性
就算繼續追問落去都唔見得一定可以搵出真正死亡原因

不如你開個新post講下可引致雀鳥突然致死既家居潛在危機等大家可以引以為鑑, 相信 ...
J-son 發表於 2011-1-25 20:17

同意

作者: sodagreensimon 時間: 2011-1-25 23:39

人都有情緒, 樓主的鸚鵡離開咗, 心情自然唔好, 大家應該要體諒同支持, 找出死因當然係好, 但絕對應該先體諒他人感受。

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